Civilized Moslems: Ataturk's Turkey and the Shah's Iran had them.

Once, Civilized Moslems, Educated Women and Peaceful, Attractive, Beautiful Cities predominated in lands where now we see little other than Typical Islamic Barbarity.

Vic Biorseth, Tuesday, April 18, 2017
CatholicAmericanThinker.com

Other than passing acquaintances and working relationships before I retired, I have never really known or befriended any Moslems. Nor have I ever visited any Islamic lands. So this is a 30,000 foot view of the subject, from someone who has only learned what he could learn about them from a remote distance.

Using the Koran as a primary source of information, and using history as a secondary source, I feel comfortable in stating that Islam itself is barbaric, and only under "Secular" governments, in which the Islamic religion is not also the law, have Islamic lands ever been other than barbaric.

And therein lies the real problem: Islam insists that Islam is the law. The only law, and that all other forms of law are invalid.

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