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On the word Consubstantial.
June 3, 2012 Solemnity of the Most Holy Trinity
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Rom 8:14-17
Mt 28:16-20
Well, it’s been six months since we started using the new translation of the Roman Missal. What do you think? Okay, some of these prayers are a real mouthful to try to say, but for the most part I find the new translation quite beautiful and expressive, and mostly an improvement. I especially like one word in particular, in the Creed, a word that raised howls of protest: “People don’t talk that way! No one will know what it means!” The word? – “Consubstantial” – as in, speaking of the Son, that He is “consubstantial with the Father”.
It’s true that we don’t talk this way in everyday conversation. In fact, the word was coined by the Church for this specific use in the creed. But after six months of time it’s starting to sound pretty natural. It fairly rolls off the tongue as we profess our faith together, about the Almighty Father Who created all things, and His eternally begotten Son through Whom He created and Who became incarnate to save that creation, and their Holy Spirit Who fills and sustains and moves that creation.
So it is no longer true that nobody talks that way. We all talk that way when we profess our faith in the triune God. But do we know what it means – “consubstantial” – ? “Of the same substance”. The Son is of the same substance as the Father, and likewise the Holy Spirit.
What is “substance”? That which something is, in its essential reality; the true being of a thing. So, since God is by definition infinite Being, and since there can only be one infinite Being (two or more beings could not each be everything), therefore there can only be one God, one divine being or substance. But does this mean that there can only be one divine person? Well, is “person” the same thing as “substance”? If substance is the essential reality of a thing, its true being, what is a person?
Maybe “what is a person?” is the wrong question. A person is a “who”, not a “what”. For instance, if I ask “what are you?”, you would answer something like “I’m a human being, a member of the species homo sapiens; arms, legs, heart and lungs, a mind more or less tethered to a physical brain.” But if I ask “who are you?”, you would answer differently, wouldn’t you? You would not talk about those physical characteristics of being human that you have in common with all other human beings, you would talk about what makes you … you! This would involve who you are related to, where you’ve been and what you’ve done, your likes and dislikes, your abilities and disabilities.
What am I? A human being. Who am I? A human person.
So, if “person” doesn’t mean the same thing as “being”, could the one divine being exist as three divine persons? Theoretically, sure. Why not?
And since Jesus Christ revealed it: speaking of His heavenly Father, of
Himself as the Son, of the Holy Spirit, and of these three as one …
And since Jesus Christ promised that the Holy Spirit would lead the
Church into the fullness of truth and understanding … I accept it, as
logically possible, and as revealed truth.
… I accept the Scriptures, and the Church’s understanding of those Scriptures as spelled out in the doctrinal definitions of Ecumenical Councils such as the one that met at Nicaea in the year 325 AD. The bishops of the universal Church convened to consider the teaching of Arius, an Egyptian priest who was saying that the Son of God is not God, and that that therefore the one God is not a Trinity of Persons. The bishops consulted the Scriptures, they consulted all the evidence of what the Christian faith had been going back to the Apostles – sermons and letters of the Church Fathers and theologians, declarations of local councils, catechisms, rituals used for baptism – and they debated with Arius and his followers who were present for the deliberations. The final decision? Arius was teaching a an erroneous novelty, not the faith of the Church. And just to be clear about what the faith of the Church was, they wrote up a statement known since as the Nicene Creed. Let’s say it now together, confident that the Holy Spirit promised by the Lord Jesus to lead us into all truth led the Fathers of Nicaea to this statement of faith.
I believe in one God,
The Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.
I believe in one Lord Jesus Christ,
The Only Begotten Son of God,
Born of the Father before all ages.
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made, consubstantial with the Father;
through Him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation
He came down from heaven,
(Here all bow)
and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary,
and became man.
(Here all rise)
For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate,
He suffered death and was buried,
and rose again on the third day
in accordance with the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory
to judge the living and the dead
and His kingdom will have no end.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
Who proceeds from the Father and the Son,
Who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified,
Who has spoken through the prophets.
I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church.
I confess one Baptism for the forgiveness of sins
and I look forward to the resurrection of the dead
and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
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I also have been cheered by the changes in the Creed. "Consubstantial" is straight from the Latin Mass: "consubstantialem Patri." I was disappointed that the editor of "Catholic New York" our archdiocesan newspaper, didn't point this out to a letter writer who complained about the use of "consubstantial." The new translation of the Mass is an improvement and more faithful to the Latin and the Church's teachings, as you so clearly explain. The change back to "I believe" is also good; "we believe" was an unjustified alteration in my humble opinion. We are all together at Mass and in unison, each of us expresses that "I" believe.
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Pagan-Darwinian-Materialism Redoubt of Miserable Self-Deceived Non-Self Nihilists
Bury The Dead And Move On Fuggedaboutit!
China's Mass Murder Experiment Phase Two
A Top to Bottom Housecleaning of America When we clean our house, my wife has a slogan, “Top to bottom,” meaning you have to target the whole house. The same advice applies to nations.
THE WORLDVIEW OF EVIL SPIRITS - an article by Linda Kimball MAGICAL MYSTERY CHURCH
A Republican Church Committee? Do Pro-American Republicans Even Know Who Frank Church Really Was?
Death of the Christian God in Hearts of All Humans Why America and W. Europe are Committing Suicide
Who Is Intolerant Because Ashamed: Creationists or Evolutionary Theists?
The Biden Doctrine of Demoralization and Defeat By Cliff Kincaid
Luciferian Humanists: Citing the Genesis Account is Evil “Any country grounded in Judaeo-Christian values can’t be overthrown until those roots are cut
Eternal Paradise Or Hell? How And Why Both Choices Are Freely Made… "
The Five Stooges on Capitol Hill They Think We Need Even More Doped No-Hopers In The American Intelligence Community
Luke 21: 29-31: Some Signs Of America’s Abandonment
And Spiritual Bondage
Trump and His Communist Enemies The Demonized Joe McCarthy Turned Out To Be Accurate In Everything He Claimed: Fox News Is Wrong About Him And About Much More
Fox Is the Leading "Trans" Channel There are some rather peculiar goings-on at the Fox News Channel.
Supernatural Genesis 1-11 vs. Pagan Darwinism God and Liberty or Fallen Mankind and Tyranny
Satanism, Communism: What's The Difference? Look To The Roots Of Communism
Evil in the White House In This War, The Enemy Is In The Ranks, Standing Right Next To You
Psychopathy and the Western and American Tyranny of Evil Leftist Progressive Myths
The Next Phase of Obama’s “Permanent Revolution” By Cliff Kincaid
Climate Emergency To Produce a New World Order By Cliff Kincaid
Raising the New Tower-- Occult Evolution: Antediluvian, Babylonian and Modern Expressions
De-Nazification and De-Communization in Russia The The mutual non-aggression Hitler-Stalin Pact, which started World War II, has been carefully “forgotten”
God to Mankind: NOW Do You See the Stupidity, Depravity, and Evil in Your Hearts?
Making Russia Great Again By Cliff Cinkaid
Our Call to Battle: Rise of the Spirit of Antichrist Prayer Article: “And this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:3)
The Last Hour and the New World Order Prayer
On the "Days Of Rage" Planned For The 2024 Marxocrat Party Convention Some of you just couldn't believe that the formerly Democrat (Confederate) Party had already gone totally Communist before the 1968 Party Convention
The enemies of God, reality, truth, western civilization and our souls Linda Kimbal column
Revisiting Nihilism: The Will Turned Toward Evil and the Destruction of Western and American Civilization
Nihilism…All That Exists is Matter and Energy The Worldview that Caused the Collapse of Christendom and Protestant America
Obama’s New Nazi-Communist Alliance
Moscow Terror Attack is Another KGB Operation to Fool the West
Terrorist Attack in Baltimore By Cliff Kincaid
The presence and influence of powers, principalities, and demons in our age of apostasy into godlessness
Christendom and Protestant America’s Apostasy into Paganism A Timeline
System of Lies: Ideological Paradise on Earth and Why the Bloody, Violent Dream Will Not Die
Prayer Against Wicked Ideologues Rescue us, O Lord!
Trump is a Marked Man By Cliff Kincaid
The evil materialist faith of global Luciferianism, Technocracy, Socialism, and Marxism
Trump is Destroying Reagan's Legacy By Cliff Kincaid
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Broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in
thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life:
and few there are that find it! Beware of false prophets, who come to you in
the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Jesus
Christ; Matthew 7:13–15
Nito Gnoci
Linda Kimball
The evil materialist faith of global Luciferianism, Technocracy, Socialism, and Marxism
Prayer Against Wicked Ideologues Rescue us, O Lord!
System of Lies: Ideological Paradise on Earth and Why the Bloody, Violent Dream Will Not Die
Christendom and Protestant America’s Apostasy into Paganism A Timeline
The presence and influence of powers, principalities, and demons in our age of apostasy into godlessness
Nihilism…All That Exists is Matter and Energy The Worldview that Caused the Collapse of Christendom and Protestant America
Revisiting Nihilism: The Will Turned Toward Evil and the Destruction of Western and American Civilization
The enemies of God, reality, truth, western civilization and our souls Linda Kimbal column
The Last Hour and the New World Order Prayer
Our Call to Battle: Rise of the Spirit of Antichrist Prayer Article: “And this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:3)
God to Mankind: NOW Do You See the Stupidity, Depravity, and Evil in Your Hearts?
Raising the New Tower-- Occult Evolution: Antediluvian, Babylonian and Modern Expressions
Psychopathy and the Western and American Tyranny of Evil Leftist Progressive Myths
Supernatural Genesis 1-11 vs. Pagan Darwinism God and Liberty or Fallen Mankind and Tyranny
Luke 21: 29-31: Some Signs Of America's Abandonment And Spiritual Bondage
Eternal Paradise Or Hell? How And Why Both Choices Are Freely Made
Luciferian Humanists: Citing the Genesis Account is Evil "Any country grounded in Judaeo-Christian values can't be overthrown until those roots are cut ... "
Who is intolerant because ashamed: Creationists or Evolutionary Theists?
Death of the Christian God in Hearts of All Humans Why America and W. Europe are Committing Suicide
THE WORLDVIEW OF EVIL SPIRITS - an article by Linda Kimball MAGICAL MYSTERY CHURCH
Pagan-Darwinian-Materialism Redoubt of Miserable Self-Deceived Non-Self Nihilists
Americas' Spiritually Dead, Deep State and Ruling Class Nihilists Walking Dead Parasitic Idolaters
Doctrines of Demons and the Modern Pagan and Pantheist Antithesis The West's Greatest Threat
Gnosis: The Main Expression of Paganized Christianity in the New Age Inner Knowing, Self-Salvation
Our Age of Malicious Perversion How Truth, Meaning, and Reality Have Been Perverted
The Serpent's Gnostic Luciferian Elite Oligarchy and Global Powers Demonic Darkness Over the West and America
The Creation Model Versus Modern Pagan Models
2 Corinthians 10:5
What Kind of God Do You Believe In?
2 Cor. 10:5 Destroying 'scientific' arguments for false Gods
Evil Spirits, Death of God, Satanic Inversion Pagan America's Reality of Madness, Demonic Bondage, and Non-Self
Judgment and Wrath The Biblical Explanation for Madness and Evil
The Worldview of Evil Spirits Revolution, Evolution, Materialism, Nihilism, New World Order, and More
Gnosis The Main Expression of Modern Paganized Christianity
America's Transformation Into A Mystical Pantheist God-State What the Death of God Has Wrought
Message to All Wearied Truthtellers: Let Isaiah Be Your Inspiration the Remnant
The Triune God, Supernatural Heaven, Souls, Hell, and Demons Do They Exist?
Teachings of Demons The Aeon of Horus, Reign of God-Men, and End of the Christian God
Revelation 2:7" ...the closing of a steel door – a solemn, cataclysmic slamming of a door."
Systemic Nihilism: End of the Human Race Eternal Damnation of Human Souls
Infernal Apocalyptic Atmosphere Over America Disintegration into nothing
Global and Ruling Class Criminal Elitists Their Ring of Power and Pact with the Spirit of Death and Hell
Blessed is the Man Who Does Not Listen to Falling Stars Who Follow After Damnable Heresies
Darwinism: An Abomination Aborting and Rotting the Church. The falling away and apostasy from the one true and personal Holy Triune Creator God has not ended
The Evil One and the Impenitent Who Receive His Mark“. And the LORD God formed man (and) breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Genesis 2:7
The Fall of Mankind, the Religion of Evolution, and the Antichrist. "Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18
Why Secular Liberals Actively Promote Evil. Mentally Retarded Liberals
Cultural Marxism. The Many Hidden Faces of Living Active Communism
The Devil, the Big Bang, Evolution, Extraterrestrials and the Genesis Problem
The Ascension To Power Of Misogyny. Hatred of Women
Gnostic Chiliastic Evolution: Satan's Alternative Plan of Salvation. The Great Reset
Why Proclaiming Jesus Christ the Word Became Flesh is Offensive. The Technocratic Utopian World Order
The Divine Androgyne, Pandemonium, and the Battle for Our Souls. Satan's Rising New World Order
America's Modern Pagan Oligarchy, Aztec Gods, and Human Sacrifice. Isaiah 57 Revisited
The Peace Symbol: Occult Sign Meaning Death Against Christians. Hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity
Americas’ Spiritually Desolate, Parasitic, Ruling Class Nihilists. Satan and Powers and Principalities
Global Oligarchy, Forces of Darkness, and the Spirit of Antichrist. Forces Darkness Within Church and State
Darwinism: Idol of mind symbolizing hatred of Triune Creator God. And Logical End of America
Is the World a Computer Simulation in the Minds of Robotic Overlords? Magic Science, Transhumanists, Gnostic Physicists.
Your soul: Cost of admission to the Progressive Pagan City of Man. New Egypt, Babylon, Sodom and Gomorrah
Iron Curtain Over American Minds Progressive Marxisms’ Ideological Utopia
Satan’s New World Order Blueprint and Key Strategy. Christian Capitulation To the Serpent's Consensus Process
Chaos, Breakdown, Demoralization, Destruction: America's New Normal. How it came about and where we are going.
Demonic Darkness: America's Invisible Wave of Evil. Staring into the abyss
Cain, Marxism, Leftism and America's ruling class of 'superior' humans. The dragon they have in common
Modernist Christians in a Man-Centered Universe. Scientific Neutrality and Biblical Deconstruction
The Connection Between Baphomet and Why Researchers Are Creating Interspecies Embryos. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Isaiah 57 revisited: America's progressive pagan elites. Staring into the Abyss
Evolutionary Theism Implies That Christ is Wrong About Creation. "For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?" John 5:46-47
Utopianism. Progressive Utopian Cultural Marxism Poisoning Minds, Churches, Schools, Politics
Acts 17:18-19-modern pagan and pantheist antithesis of the Word of God Ecclesiates 1:9 "What has been is what will be.."
Trotsky's Permanent Revolution From Hell In America. The Soviet System in America
Why Transgenderism Is Being Forced Upon America and Our Children. The Divine Androgyne
The Evil Eye Of Envy: Why Being ‘White’ Is Offensive To Some People. No Vice Worse Than Envy
Absolute Nothingness and Non-Self: The Reigning Worldview of Global Power Elites and Western Ruling Classes
What is Evil? Man-made alternative realities
Cliff Kincaid
Trump is Destroying Reagan's Legacy By Cliff Kincaid
Trump is a Marked Man By Cliff Kincaid
Terrorist Attack in Baltimore By Cliff Kincaid
Moscow Terror Attack is Another KGB Operation to Fool the West
Obama’s New Nazi-Communist Alliance
On the "Days Of Rage" Planned For The 2024 Marxocrat Party Convention Some of you just couldn't believe that the formerly Democrat
(Confederate) Party had already gone totally Communist before the 1968
Party Convention
Making Russia Great Again By Cliff Cinkaid
De-Nazification and De-Communization in Russia The The mutual non-aggression Hitler-Stalin Pact, which started World War II, has been carefully “forgotten”
Climate Emergency To Produce a New World Order By Cliff Kincaid
The Next Phase of Obama’s “Permanent Revolution” By Cliff Kincaid
Evil in the White House In This War, The Enemy Is In The Ranks, Standing Right Next To You
Satanism, Communism: What's The Difference? Look To The Roots Of Communism
Fox Is the Leading "Trans" Channel There are some rather peculiar goings-on at the Fox News Channel.
Trump and His Communist Enemies The Demonized Joe McCarthy Turned Out To Be Accurate In Everything He Claimed: Fox News Is Wrong About Him And About Much More
The Five Stooges on Capitol Hill They Think We Need Even More Doped No-Hopers In The American Intelligence Community
The Biden Doctrine of Demoralization and Defeat By Cliff Kincaid
A Republican Church Committee? Do Pro-American Republicans Even Know Who Frank Church Really Was?
A Top to Bottom Housecleaning of America When we clean our house, my wife has a slogan, “Top to bottom,” meaning you have to target the whole house. The same advice applies to nations.
China's Mass Murder Experiment Phase Two
Bury The Dead And Move On Fuggedaboutit!
9/11 Truth This is the real 9/11 Truth: Our “intelligence” agencies are infiltrated.
Moving Toward Gorbachev’s “World of Communism” It's called the Monster Plot.
The Errors of Russia, the Dupes of Putin, and Another Holocaust Can The Increasingly Faithless Free World Be Saved From Russia?
World War Quietly Conquering A Distracted and Blithely Unaware World. Could it actually be Satan's world war on despised humanity?
Stand With Ukraine Against Russia and China By Cliff Kincaid
Tucker Carlson Carlson Gets His Comeuppance. Tucker's View: It is not moral for us to intervene in support of any nation's (Ukraine's) democratic self-determination and against Soviet military expansion.
The Need for Secure Borders. Have we so easily forgotten what borders are for? Have we forgotten that evil exists in the world? Have we forgotten how to keep apart from this evil?
Can Ukraine Survive Putin and Biden? Can America? Can the Free World? Can Faith in God?
The Soviet Union: Back From The Dead The Return of the Evil Empire
Could an American Surrender be in the offing with Biden at the wheel? Is this not the perfect time for Communism to strike, with Commies now governing America, China and Russia? What would Biden do?
Abortion and Communism. If you ever wondered where all the popular abortion-contraception-sexuality-perversion nuttiness came from, look to Marx's Communist Manifesto.
The Secret Life of Martin Luther King, Jr. A life almost totally at odds with his reputation as a minister of the Gospel.
"We belong to the Church militant; and She is militant because on earth the powers of darkness are ever restless to encompass Her destruction. Not only in the far-off centuries of the early Church, but down through the ages and in this our day, the enemies of God and Christian civilization make bold to attack the Creator's supreme dominion and sacrosanct human rights." --Pope Pius XII
"It is not lawful to take the things of others to give to the poor. It is a sin worthy of punishment, not an act deserving a reward, to give away what belongs to others." --St. Francis of Assisi
Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.—Winston Churchill
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.—Ayn Rand
Atheist Genesis:
In the beginning there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing.And then nothing accidentally exploded and created everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally encountered other bits of everything and formed some new kinds of everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into self-replicating bits of everything.
And then some self-replicating bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into dinosaurs.
See?
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