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On the Question of Papal Deposability

Asking whether Bishops may actually Depose a Pope for Heresy.  Is there even such a thing as Papal Deposability?

Vic Biorseth, Saturday, December 17, 2016
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The Church was intended to last, unchanged, until the end of time.  Reason, reflection and intuition seem to point to the existence of the possibility to correct and redirect the Church when it goes off the rails.  Even Popes are only human, after all.  Bishops correct us when we fail; they correct each other when they fail.  Matthew gives us the formula:

"If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.
But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses.
If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.
Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.--Matt 18:15-18

But what if this situation applies to a Pope? 

Look back through the long history of the Papacy and you will see that, yes, Popes have been deposed, under all sorts of questionable circumstances involving everything from heresy to internal politics, of all things.  I knew that we have had bad Popes, but one might have hoped that the Bishops of the Catholic Church would be above political intrigues and plots.  With exceptions here and there, of course, since they, too, are humans.  But, go through it yourself, and you might be surprised, as I was, at all the political shenanigans. 

What's prompting ordinary Catholic laymen and American Constitutionalist "Deplorables" like me to look back at all this Church History is the successful efforts of Pope Francis to "Make A Mess" and establish chaos and disorder where there was previously a sense of normalcy and good order in our Catholic thinking.  Confusion, in other words, on vitally important matters concerning the souls of men.  Opposition to and even destruction of Catholic Clarity on long established and previously perfectly clear Catholic Doctrine. 

We talked about this recently in Dubiosity, where we addressed the five Dubia (Doubts) sent by four Cardinals as simple yes or no questions to Pope Francis for official clarification of his teaching in paragraph eight of his Amoris Laetitia.  Going to the pertinent paragraphs in that chapter, and taking the words there in their literal and contextual meaning, we even answered them ourselves, quite easily.  But all the answers appeared to be in direct violation of long established doctrine and Revealed Truth.  Thus, you can see the confusion here. 

Previous to this seemingly purposeful confusion displacing clarity, we have questioned Pope Francis' seeming affection for Marxist global ideologies, despite the condemnation of past Popes and Councils.  In our book, Culture=Religion+Politics, in multiple webpages on this website and in multiple interviews, we have sought clarification and full understanding of his clearly Marxist interpretation of "Social Justice" as opposed to the interpretation of his predecessors. 

It isn't merely simple lay Deplorables like me who are seeking clarity here.  The whole Church is now in disarray over the five doubts and the Pope's refusal to respond to them.  Cardinals and Bishops all over the world are divided on it and pointing condemning fingers at each other over it. 

These two positions cannot both be correct; one must be wrong. 

Bishop Athanasius Schneider has issued a letter in strong support of the Prophetic Voice of Four Cardinals who sent the Dubia to His Holiness. 

In the face of that, Austen Ivereigh, a London-based Catholic journalist, author and commentator, charged the four Cardinals, and all who agreed with them, with being dissenters and Schismatics, charging them with seeking to overturn doctrine rather than clarifying it.  ??? 

Michael Voris at Church Militant weighed in on that example of pseudo-intellectual Leftism, with a new (to me) abbreviated idiom:  IYI, which stands for Intellectual Yet Idiotic.    I like it so much I may add it to all the site hover links, found at the bottom of this and every other article on this site. 

There are just so many potential applications, as we look around our culture today.  Stephen Hawking comes to mind, as a recognized world-class scientific genius, yet so absolutely convinced, with no supporting scientific evidence whatsoever, of the "unsustainability" of life on earth that he is recommending the colonization of Mars or the Moon to preserve humankind.  Quick, while we still can. 

Intellectual Yet Idiotic certainly applies to IYI Stephen Hawking. 

Cardinal Burke himself defended the Dubia signers with alacrity in an EWTN interview.  Everything written and said by Cardinal Burke and the other signers seems quite reasonable, respectful and measured, and precisely what is called for in such a situation of a glaringly obvious lack of clarity. 

Francis Responds to the Dubia?

At a site I am unfamiliar with, it is purported that Pope Francis has responded to the Dubia.  Thus far I have not been able to find any other source backing this up, so I don't know if it's true or not. 

This response, as some sort of an informal response to criticism, is not a formal response to the signers of the Dubia, and so I don't know what kind of weight to give it.  But the interesting thing about it is, he answered each of the five questions exactly as I answered them, in the comments after Dubiosity, with a qualification for each answer.  As in:

  1. Yes.  Such things are not black and white.  We are called to discern. 
  2. No. Such things are not black and white.  We are called to discern.
  3. No.  Such things are not black and white.  We are called to discern.
  4. No.  Such things are not black and white.  We are called to discern.
  5. No.  Such things are not black and white.  We are called to discern.

So, I am left to wonder, is anything at all black and white? 

I can easily imagine that "Catholics" such as John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, etc., might "discern" the answers to these doubts somewhat differently than you and me, and Card. Burke. 

I don't know about you, but I'm confused here, and I don't think I should be confused at all.  Provided that sexual immorality is evil, with no shades of gray, then things such as adultery and homosexuality are of the devil.  Unless they are not.  Which raises the original Baptismal question of all Catholics, once again:

Do you renounce Satan and all his evil works?  Yes or no. 

Somebody help me out here.  Is that question black and white, or not? 



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GESGOEAEOT2 Gradually, Ever So Gradually, Over Eons And Eons Of Time
PEWAG3 Punctuated Equilibrium's Wild-Assed Guess
TTRSTF4 Them There Real Scientifical-Type Fellers
TTRSPTF5 Them There Real Smart Perfesser-Type Fellers
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HBAACOTE11 Human Beings Are A Cancer On The Earth
ACLU12 Anti-Christian Litigation Union
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MEJTML14 Marxist Ends-Justify-The-Means Liar
IEJTML15 Islamic Ends-Ends-Justify-The-Means Liar
MPAV16 Marxist Principles And Values
WBESSWG17 Wise, Benign, Elite, Super-Scientific World Governance
TRMITM18 The Reason Man's In This Mess
IYI19 Intellectual Yet Idiotic
TTRSCBTF20 Them There Real Smart Catholic Bishop Type Fellers
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PEJTML22 Palestinian Ends-Justify-The-Means Liar
PSYOP23 "Psychological Operation" Mind Trick
CDC24 Covid Developmentally Challenged
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HEJTML26 Hedonist Ends-Justify-The-Means Liar
SEJTML27 Scientistic Ends-Justify-The-Means Liar

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Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.—Winston Churchill

Note the Military Assault Rifle common to the American Founding Era.

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.—Ayn Rand

Atheist Genesis:

In the beginning there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing.
And then nothing accidentally exploded and created everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally encountered other bits of everything and formed some new kinds of everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into self-replicating bits of everything.
And then some self-replicating bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into dinosaurs.
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(See The Darwinism Pages)

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