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Proselytizing v Evangelizing:  What's the difference?  Is there a difference?

It's a very thin line between between Proselytizing and Evangelizing, so why is the one condemned and the other commended?

Vic Biorseth, Wednesday, January 11, 2017
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In most dictionaries, they are near synonyms.  If you look up the one, you will find the other describing it.  The only real difference, in most dictionaries, is that Evangelizing seems to always refer to promoting Christian faith, solely.  But both involve the process of convincing someone to join a religion they do not yet believe in or belong to. 

I am a Catholic, and I am frequently accused of "Proselytizing", as if that were a bad thing.  "You're just Proselytizing!" is the most frequently heard angry charge, which always just puzzles me, so I just ignore it and get right back to the most current point in the conversation.  I'm often perhaps stubborn about sticking to the point until it is resolved. 

OK, I'm Proselytizing.  So what? 

Some critics of Proselytism hold that Evangelizing is bringing people into the faith purely by describing the faith, and Proselytizing is bringing people into the faith more by challenging the validity of whatever erroneous faith they already hold. 

Well, Jesus did that (John 4:22), and Paul did that (Acts 17:22-23), so why shouldn't I do it? 

Some critics of Proselytism hold that Proselytism is "aggressive" Evangelizing of people of other faiths, by pronouncing that they are bound for hell unless they abandon their current belief and embrace the one true faith. 

Well, is that not more true than false, in most cases?  Is No Salvation Outside The Church a valid, standing Catholic doctrine, or not?  Are we not supposed to even say it? 

I challenge anyone to show me the Protestant Denomination that does not roundly condemn the Catholic Church while "Evangelizing" us.  Yet they, or the Denominations they Denominated from, are the ones who broke ranks with us, the original Body Of Christ.  How is it that we, when we point out their heresy, are the ones who are "Proselytizing" as opposed to "Evangelizing"? 

Everyone has heard the TV Evangelists saying unless you pray the Jesus prayer, or are "born again" in an altar call, or are otherwise "saved", or have surrendered in some way to Jesus, that you are going to hell.  I never heard anyone condemn any of that as Proselytizing. 

Some of us are just not psychologically or spiritually equipped to do "soft" Evangelizing.  All of us are not the same.  While some of us, like me, may be more naturally geared toward attack mode against evil, we still try to keep the fires of Evangelism burning, but we're just not that good at it.  To some of us, false religion or erroneous belief is part and parcel to evil, and recognizing that fact, we tend to be in attack mode much if not most of the time.   The natural inclination for those like us is to not waste time on the obstinate and the unreasonable; to simply preach the unvarnished message, shake the dust and move on. 

Everybody is not going to embrace the message.  "Everybody" never did; "Everybody" never will.  That's the way it is.  We are called to preach the good news to all nations, but all nations are not necessarily inclined to accept it.  Satan will have his share. 

I don't know about you, but my biggest problem in this area involves discourse with fellow Catholics, not with non-Catholics.  The last thing I want to do is to drive any Catholic away from the Church with harsh rhetoric.  But there are just so many Catholics today who are just steeped in error, and in false Catholicism and even a near total lack of any sense of mortal sin that sometimes I just can't believe the conversations I'm having are with fellow Catholics. 

There are millions of "Catholics" who don't believe that missing Mass is a mortal sin "any more".  Untold millions of "Catholics" regularly use artificial contraception, and receive Communion just as regularly.  The situation is currently exacerbated by the vagary of Pope Francis' teaching on marriage and the family.  This Bishop welcomes all "irregulars" to the Communion Rail, that one does not; this Bishop sees mortal sin as black and white, that one sees unending shades of gray in everything.  This Bishop holds fast to Doctrine, that one holds fast to "Conscience". 

This is not merely poor or non-existent Catholic Catechesis.  This is the flat out teaching of error.  The laity are being divided by the radically opposing messages of different Bishops, within the same Church. 

The Roman Catholic Church today does not speak with one voice. 

It's worse than that.  The Bishops are divided into hostile camps. 

How is Church attendance doing in the most Liberal/Lenient dioceses?

And yet, with these cataclysmic doctrinal issues in debate, the biggest thing Catholics laymen seem to be dividing themselves on is mere Liturgy, of all things.  I don't mean to downplay the importance of Liturgy, but compared to these other gigantic doctrinal issues, one would think that Liturgy would pale in comparison.  But it does not.  It grows. 

We have, of course, the SSPX split, which took issue with any and all changes to the Liturgy of the Mass after Trent.  Based on the Council of Trent, to whit:

"If anyone says that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, accustomed to be used in the administration of the sacraments, may be despised or omitted by the ministers without sin and at their pleasure, or may be changed by any pastor of the churches to other new ones, let him be anathema."[3]

"Any Pastor" here refers to "any Bishop".  Pope St. Pius V backed that up in his Papal Bull Quo Primum, in which he backed up the above anathema in strong terms, as a Papal decree.  Contained in his Bull was this;

Nor are superiors, administrators, canons, chaplains, and other secular priests, or religious, of whatever title designated, obliged to celebrate the Mass otherwise than as enjoined by Us.

(Emphasis added)

"Us" in that sentence is the "royal" Us, meaning the reigning Pope.  Further evidence that Popes, present and future, have final control over Liturgy, is presented elsewhere in the Bull, as here:

Wherefore, in order that the Missal be preserved incorrupt throughout the whole world and kept free of flaws and errors, the penalty for nonobservance for printers, whether mediately or immediately subject to Our dominion, and that of the Holy Roman Church, will be the forfeiting of their books and a fine of one hundred gold ducats, payable ipso facto to the Apostolic Treasury. Further, as for those located in other parts of the world, the penalty is excommunication latae sententiae, and such other penalties as may in Our judgment be imposed; and We decree by this law that they must not dare or presume either to print or to publish or to sell, or in any way to accept books of this nature without Our approval and consent, or without the express consent of the Apostolic Commissaries of those places, who will be appointed by Us.

(Emphasis added)

Bottom line: 

The Popes have dominion over the Liturgy of the Mass.  Liturgy, in its entirety, did not come out of the original Revelation and is not part of the Depositum Fide.  Other than the "This is my body" references (in Matt 26:26, Mark 14:22, Luke 22:19, 1 Cor 11:24, etc.) the Liturgy of the Mass was "developed" by the Church in accord with the original handed-on Tradition and with her authority to bind and to loose. 

Up until the Council of Trent, there were multiple liturgical forms of the Mass being offered.  Pius V tried to put an end to that, and get the whole Church following the same Traditional Liturgical Norms. 

After Trent, there were updates made to the Missal by Pope Clement VIII in 1604, Pope Urban VIII in 1634, Pope Leo XIII in 1884, and Pius X in 1920.  The original 1570 Missal was authorized by Pope Pius V; all of these were minor updates, revisions and additions to rubrics. 

The 1962 Missal was authorized by Pope John XXIII.  The 1969 Missal was authorized by Pope Paul VI.  This "New Mass", known as the Novus Ordo, is theoretically what caused all the Liturgical furor that came to be known as the Liturgical Wars. 

Note this well:

None of the abuses of the Liturgy of the Mass came out of Vatican Council II, and none of them came out of the Missal of Paul VI. 

Almost none of what we normally see today in the way the Novus Ordo Mass as regularly offered was authorized by Paul VI or by the Council.  It's not in the documents, it's not in the Missal, it's not in the order of the mass.  It's just not there. 

Individual Bishops and Political Parties of Bishops, like the USCCB, just made it up on their own.  They took it upon themselves to "innovate" and radically modify the Liturgy of the Mass.   Among their innovations:

  • The Priest facing the congregation
  • Communion in the hand, while standing
  • Lay distributors
  • Lay lectors
  • Mostly English instead of mostly Latin
  • Protestant music

These, and more, of what were and are abuses of authorized Liturgy have become "normal" in America because they were allowed to become so widespread that they became commonplace.  These completely unauthorized practices are now habitual and expected, all over America.  No Pope did this, and no Council did this.  Bishops did it, on their own.  Doing exactly what Pius V said for them not to do. 

Everybody seems to be pleased that the worst abuses - the clown Masses, cowboy Masses, etc. - have largely disappeared except in the most Liberal dioceses.  But few look at what's been left in their wake.  

We can testify to the beauty and majesty of the Novus Ordo Mass prayed in exact conformity with the Order Of The Mass, as offered at Assumption Grotto Church, which also offers the Latin Mass.    It's the Novus Ordo Mass, but get this:

  • The Priest faces East
  • The entire Mass, except for the readings and the homily, is prayed in Latin
  • Catholic music (Latin) is retained
  • There are no altar girls
  • There is no exchange of the gift of peace
  • Communion is received on the tongue while kneeling at the Altar Rail
  • There are no lay lectors or distributors

The beauty, and the awesome majesty of the Latin Mass is retained in its entirety.  At Churches like this, it doesn't matter so much whether you pray the 1962 Mass or the Novus Ordo; both are equally uplifting and awe inspiring offerings to God.  We personally prefer the old Mass because that is the Mass of our childhood and young adulthood.  But the Novus Ordo is a beautiful Mass too, and perfectly acceptable to us. 

But we, like millions, have been forced to compromise, and seek out a "better than most" Novus Ordo Parish.  We are lucky to belong to one for many years, an ethnic Lithuanian sort of sub-Parish of a larger Church.  Even with the "common abuses" spoken of above, it's a good and holy Catholic Church. 

Again, getting back to Proselytizing v Evangelizing, just try to point out the unauthorized practices in the typical Novus Ordo Mass in any typical Novus Ordo Church at all, and watch the fangs and claws come out.  In trying to point out the truth of the matter, you will be accused of "driving people away" by encouraging return to Catholic Tradition.  When I believe the exact opposite to be true. 

How has Church attendance done since the Novus Ordo "innovations"?

Just the formality of a properly offered Catholic Mass inspires a greater reverence and sense of being in the Presence in the laity.  The Mass is supposed to be a quite formal event.  We are supposed to be humbled to our knees.  Much if not all of that is lost in the more "informal" and even "casual" Novus Ordo Mass. 

I believe Traditional offering of the Mass, whether Novus Ordo or 1962, is the best evangelization tool in the Church's arsenal.  Kind of like preaching the unvarnished truth on doctrine.  To me, the two things go together.  People are yearning for truth.  For reality. 

So, am I Proselytizing when I say these things, or am I Evangelizing? 

You tell me. 



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Date:  Mon Sep 18 14:21:23 2017
From:  Jim
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Ok, as a Catholic, I was with you in spite of the fact that a little study will show that there is a vast difference between biblical proselytizing and evangelism, regardless of the modern webster connotation. Many times proselytizing yields "false conversion" with no particular loyalty to or love for Christ, but rather a sort of secularly expedient act of temporary contrition.  I was with you until I learned that you were in fact speaking of the Body of Christ from other traditions. Yes my brother protestants are members of the Body of Christ. Many of them will assure you that as individual believers, they aren't protesting anything. So it seems that a bit more study would be in order. However, I support your evangelistic gift. Please just point that pistol at unbelievers, not different parts of the same body, we don't want to wound ourselves.

Date:  Mon Sep 18 2017
From:  Vic Biorseth
Comment:  

Jim:

For me, proselytizing or evangelizing, whichever you prefer, involves lighting the way with truth. The target of the effort will come into the Truth on his own, or not at all. Some of us are better at it than others, there are many ways to go about it, but I am not a touchy-feely, super-sensitive, emotional kind of guy. I get to the point pretty quickly, with reason and argument and evidence. And I don't waste time. 

These "other traditions" within the body of Christ may not be heretics, personally, but they are following heresies. They may not personally be protesting anything, but they follow the same heresies of the original Protestants. Sola Scriptura is a defined Protestant heresy. Sola Fide is a defined Protestant heresy.

Read the documents of Trent. Read the Syllabus of Errors. Put them together, and see where most of Protestantism is going.The same direction as Marxism. Holding that followers of the various denominations are perfectly accommodated into the fullness of Christian Truth by being members of the same Catholic Body of Christ is actually the mortal sin of Indifferentism. 

Sorry, Jim, but it does indeed make a very big difference what one believes. 

Regards,

Vic


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"Secularized Reason" is Reason divorced from Faith, which is Amoral Nonsense.  Secularized Reason is not merely Amoral, or simply Morally Neutral; it always comes to oppose all sense of any fixed cultural morality.

America's current Anti-Constitution Constitutional Government. All three current branches knowingly violate the Constitution that created them, provided their rules and set their limits.

Rethinking War on Islam: War on "parts" of Islam, or, Unlimited War.  Rethinking War on Islam may mean a perpetual state of war, for Islam's evil cannot be separated out.

Reconciliation with God, through a good Confession with Absolution. Repentance, resolve, confession, absolution, penance, and uplifting, EXHILARATING Reconciliation.

Gay Marriage: What the hell is gay about it?  It isn't Gay Marriage, it's Homosexual Marriage.  If you surrender the language you lose.

"We are not the World Police" say the Lefties.  So, if not us, then who?  In the absence of Police, including World Police, what happens?  The criminals come out to play.

Do we have an Anti-American President?  A Pro-Islam, Anti-Christian,
Redistributionist, Utopian, Pro-Illegal Alien, quite consistently Anti-American, President Obama?

The Three Big Ideas competing in global geopolitics today. The Three Big Ideas, and a Fourth one: aggressive, militant atheism, or secularism.

World War III is beginning, and the Big News is the "News"?  The world is tumbling into global war, but Journalism is all atwitter about Brian Williams.  Go figure.

Babbling Christianity: The Loss of Unity in the Christian Message.  Is some New Testament "Tower of Babble" moment behind babbling Christianity's ever increasing disunity?

Obama Lies Again.  So what else is new?  "My work is done here; Hi-Yo Silver, and Away!" ... Who was that Masked Marxist?

On the lost human virtue of Industry. From Industry to Indolence: how the most industrious nation in history has slipped into almost pure sloth.

Another Obama act of Treason?  Well, ho-hum, heavy sigh and here we go again.  He lives for Treason.  Bringing Constitutional America down is his whole purpose for being.

All the anti Capitalist lies in Marxist propaganda.  Most old Marxist anti-Capitalist lies are now common "academic truths" in formal education and news reporting.

Why is our whole culture going to pot?  It's our morality, stupid.  Every cultural thing - law, order, decency, indecency, salvation, damnation - hangs on a recognized cultural morality.

The Truth about Islam, finally, in a homily at Mass.  You never hear the unvarnished truth about Islam, or other evils, from Catholic clerics.  Maybe that's finally changing.

Presenting the Renamed Reintroduction of Thinking-Catholic-Strategic-Center.  The conversion to the Catholic American Thinker name is now complete.

War Begets War: It's About Islam; It Always Was.  Undoing Islamic Lies of "Peaceful" Moslem Propagandizers.

Undoing Evil: Unraveling the sly "Good Intentions" destroying the West.  Undoing Evil means reversing Political Correctness and Amorality, and returning to Pure Meritocracy.

The argument within Islam, and about Islam, regarding the true nature of Islam.  The true nature of Islam: Ron Paul, King Saud, Ali Khamenei, Comrade Obama, all have their versions.

Letter to an American Warrior, from an old American Citizen, with Love.  An old man's advice to a young man, sent in a letter to an American Warrior.

All the Unintended Consequences: What makes us think they were unintended?  If every single thing done by someone has unintended consequences, the consequences were intended.

The French Islamophobia: Was it real?  Or is Islam really something to be feared?  If the French Islamophobia turns out to have been warranted, what about ours?

You're gonna hold their feet to the fire?  What fire?  They're laughing at you.   You can't hold Republicrat's feet to the fire.  They are the fireproof new political nobility.

What would War on Islam look like?  Would victory even be possible?   With what successful overall strategy could we wage war on an ideology?

On the Anti-Church metastasizing within the Roman Catholic hierarchy.  The anti-Church within the Church: the anti-Papal agenda advancing even in the Vatican itself.

The Required Radical American Re-Revolution. Or, Re-Constitution.It took 100+ years to radicalize Constitutional America. It will take a radical re-revolution to bring it back to sanity.

On the "inevitability" of a Perfect Global Government in a "New World Order".  Is this "New World Order" idea divinely inspired, or is it the ongoing work of Satan?

The Judas Complex: How a traitor may not recognized his own treason.  The Judas Complex explains how Judas Iscariot - like many a modern day Bishop - compromised with the world.

Christmas 2014: Hope is Reborn; Salvation has come into the world.  The Christmas 2014 Turning Point: The Kingdom is upon us; our King is among us.

On Theory Dominating Substance, in science, religion, morality, and culture.  Everywhere we look, we see the theoretical trumping the substantial, up and down the line.

A Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ deepens faith and faith commitment.  A Personal Relationship with America deepens love of country and patriotic commitment.

The 2014 Mid-Term Elections Cometh: Here we go again.  Next Tuesday, the 2014 Mid-Term Elections are upon us.  What are we going to do about it?

Anathematizing anathema: the predictable result of the denial of evil.  In a world that denies the existence of evil, anathematizing anathema itself is the only anathema allowed.

The Ebola Setup: Another possible trigger for the final revolution?  The purposeful government infection of America, through the Ebola setup.  Why?

Work at home jobs that have had me.  A long, costly and unsuccessful run at work from home jobs that didn't work for us.

Truth versus Agenda addresses the simplest of problems greatly complexified.  Truth versus Agenda examines the contest between reality and its opposition.

Vic has Iron Weights for sale; Mama says they have to go.  Lots of iron weights for sale; all have to go at once, in one sale.

The challenge describes Capitalism as illusory and Marxism as solid.  The mixture of religion just adds to the confusion of all good realists.

Indifferentism and Moral Relativism eats away at Catholic Culture.  Catholicism stands against Indifferentism. Where do you stand?

My poor old truck is again starting to look like a poor old truck.  After half-a-million miles, we're now approaching another decision time; another paint job, or a new truck.

Battle Line: Where the advancing secular army meets Judaeo-Christian moral norms.  The Secular Position (or Agenda) involves Proactive, Aggressive Anti-Theism, and not merely "neutral" Atheism.

A return to the American Ideal means a severe reduction in Government.  To return to positive growth and progress means, necessarily, purging our nation from all Marxist-Socialist philosophical influence and a return to the American Ideal.

Why this hatred of Palin? What galls modern women of the Left about Sarah Palin?  The blind hatred of Palin we’re seeing expressed is not merely because of hatred and intolerance of the pro-life religious moral standard.

A Palin Parker Ticket? My Dream Candidates for 2012.  Why a Palin Parker ticket is better than any professional politician Republican ticket you can come up with for 2012.

Elitism Vs Palinism: Why the Left and the Elites Loath and Fear Sarah Palin.  It isn’t just Marxism Vs Palinism; it’s also established intellectual elitism vs Palinism. The elite need someone to look down upon.

How is it that opposing amnesty for millions of illegal aliens is "arrogant"? If my pro-Catholic, pro-American, anti-alternative-ethos position is "arrogant," then, exactly what is the position of those who claim superiority or even equality with it?

Here we see Bush family class captured in a simple private citizen’s photo.  George W. (and Mrs.) Bush quietly demonstrate Bush family class without hoopla or fanfare.

Marxists love crisis, and they love an oil spill crisis most of all.  Marxists even create and drive crisis.  Their favorite crisis of all must be the Oil Spill Crisis, which is even better than a Banking Crisis.

American Military Assault Weapons originally intended in the 2nd Amendment. To miss the point of the 2nd Amendment is to miss the point of the whole Constitution.

For God and Country – More Thoughts on America, and on National Existence.  For God and Country: Comparisons of martyrdom and heroism, Sovereign Nationhood Vs. Internationalism, distinct people-hood Vs. the Global Village, and Godliness Vs. godlessness.

The Godless Left leads the young and naive to their utopian Hell.  For an honest comparison of the effects on youth, we need to look to the history of the Godless Left versus the Religious Right.

The Rabbi Meir Kahane Open Letter to the World is a must read.  No decent world history course is complete without the Rabbi Meir Kahane Open Letter to the World.

Aleksandr I.Solzhenitsyn warns the American Worker and American organized labor.  Solzhenitsyn speaks to us as a worker from the “Worker’s Paradise” of Communism; words of warning for all who understand the meaning of the word Liberty.

World Revolution returns with a vengeance: the rebirth of Marxism.  Marxist world revolution returns, and faces far less opposition than in 1848 or the period between the Great Wars.

Our argument against public despair, hopelessness and pessimism re the future.  Despair is a mortal sin, the opposite of the virtue of hope; it is a sin unto the death of the soul, a repudiation and rejection of God’s grace.

On Threats to America's National Existence.  A look at the nature of our national existence, what makes us America, physical threats to that, and the possibility of just going out of existence.

On the ethics of language: English dictionary Vs. Political-Correctness taboos.  Language evolves, yet morals are (or should be) fixed. This poses questions re the ethics of language.

Thinking Catholic direction: threats to America, Church, Ethos, even History.  The Thinking Catholic Direction is multi-faceted, facing threats to American National Existence, Catholic Liturgy, our common Guiding Ethos - emphasis changes to meet the threat of the moment.

Catholics learn and practice Glossalalia, in the Life In The Spirit seminars.  Life in the Spirit seminars, fueling the Catholic Charismatic renewal, bring tongue-speaking "Glossalalia" and being "Slain in the Spirit", into Catholicism.

The website is going on hold for at least the next five weeks.  Business calls, and I must respond. Will be traveling, and not taking the laptop this time.

Current Website Status.  Still too busy for individual responses to questions, comments & criticisms.

Our 2006 Ohio Voter Guide.  The choices are quite clear, and the 2006 Ohio Voter Guide was easy to produce

On carrying my Lord, Jesus Christ, in my pocket.  As a Eucharistic Minister, I am on occasion carrying the Lord Jesus in my pocket. It's a wondrous thing.

A 2006 Christmas and Hanukkah wish.  May the Holy Days we celebrate remind us all of who we are, and how we are different from other peoples.

Current Democratic Party platform reveals anti-Semitic streak among Liberals.  In their voting, their speechifying, and in the slant of their controlled mainstream media reporting, the current Democratic Party Platform is made clear to all observers.

The "Left", and The DaVinci Code, The Passion, and Cartoons of Mohammed.  You can tell a lot about a movement by its public words. The Passion?  "Unreservedly Bad."  The DaVinci Code?  "Unreservedly Good." Anything to do with Islam?  "No Comment."

Who's driving the Health Care bus? Health insurance companies grading doctors?  Health insurance companies grading doctors: a legitimized conflict of interest.  A preparatory step toward the nationalization of the health insurance industry?

On the forced use of medical boiler plate language rather than simple notes.  The "little dictators" from insurance companies and government bureaucracies force MDs to use stilted, verbose, medical boiler plate language in their own documentation.

Home For Christmas 2008.  Website Getting Active Again.

Hydrogen power could be, and should be, the wave of our automotive future.Any move toward hydrogen power is a move toward a cleaner and more efficient fuel, and away from our dangerous dependency on oil.

Thoughts in remembrance of 09/11/2001, five years later.  The changing shape of the war, the changing shape of the enemy.

The Jewish Shabbat. Description of Jewish Shabbat (Sabbath) from my Holy Land item supplier.

Kerry lies again, and then lies about his lies, in concert with the SLIMC.There he goes again! Kerry lies again and again about American servicemen and veterans; he just can't help himself.

Kerry's Lies: The Old, Vietnam-Era Anti-War Chickens are Comming Home to Roost.   POW Lawsuit Could Force Kerry To Come Clean - by George "Bud" Day, Chairman, Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.

What's going on with Mel Gibson? Is he really an anti-Semite?I am surprised that Mel Gibson is an alcolholic. But I am never surprised at any words that come out of the mouth of any drunk.

Still Worrying Over NuVo Consequences.  The Holidays have gone by, several days have passed, and the SANE NuVo Initiative still stands pat.

The Dem's October Surprise involves another flip-flop of their public "standard"  The clearly pro-sodomy Party that openly seeks the "Gay" vote goes Victorian for another pre-election October Surprise ploy.

Some Problems with NuVo: the so-called Null-Vote Initiative.  A "philosophical" movement aimed at keeping religious conservatives from voting? Seriously? Let me state my problems with NuVo.

Come, let us sit and reason together.  Jews and Christians of various stripe and spot can say to each other, 'Come, let us sit and reason together.' But we can't do that with the Moslems.

Regarding SANE works dropping NuVo: Nul Vote Initiative dies with a whimper.  If you can't really present a good argument, sit down.  On SANE Works dropping the NuVo Initiative: a program that works hard to SOUND pro-American while ACTING to oppose American National Existence.

Even experts grossly underestimate the Marxist zeal of the American Left.  The sharp Left turn happened in the Hoover-FDR era, and the Marxism of the American Left has been deepening ever since.

Thinking American, in a nutshell: When one has lots to say, but time is limited.  The older I get, the busier I get. Answering multiple questions as a thinking American, but in a hurry.

"We are an Easter People, and Hallelujah is our Song." (John Paul the Great).  Our absolutely unique and singular Easter story, and the incredible force with which it struck human history.

Witnessing, grieving and weeping for our dieing culture.  What might it take to call a whole people back from the brink of cultural death?

If we have an inherent right to something, then, who must supply it?   Rights and Responsibilities exist in paired sets; a right does not exist in the absence of a related responsibility.   If indeed we have a right to our job, then, someone must provide it.  Who?

So how come we have all these homeless people if our system is so great?  The strong "Utopian Idealist" firmly believes that absolute worldly perfection is actually possible.   Therefore, there should never be any such thing as a hungry or homeless person.

Taking a look at Illegal Immigration and Tax Problem solutions.  In our view, the minimum wage and income tax have outlived their usefulness, and only contribute to the illegal alien problem.

First journal / blog entries when the thinking catolic blog first opened up.  Notes to readers about what I was doing.

On-going WebSite work and planned WebPages as of 09/07/2006  Adding items to book store.

Vic's busted finger status - life goes on.  Another busted finger status report, since the original one rolled off of the 50-entry BLOG update records.

Website Status as of 02/05/2009.  No more Bookstore; no more Contact Me; no more complexity.

Website Status 03-09-2009.  Just a note to bring you up to date on website status 03-09-2009.

Website Status 04/06/2009.  Busy driving daily now; most website work will be weekend and as available.

The Plastic Bags and Eco Doom theory: will plastic bags end life as we know it?  Plastic Bag and Eco Doom predictions tell us that plastic grocery and garbage bags will still be buried in the land fills and dumps a thousand years from now.  Well … so what?

Farewell Smokey Biorseth; Rest In Peace. Hello Coal Biorseth; Welcome Home.  As we were laying our beloved Smokey Biorseth to rest in his grave beside the lilies, a carbon-copy of Smokey, in younger form, emerged from the lilies.

Honky Biorseth really runs this house.  If you want to know what's in any cabinet in the house, just ask Honky Biorseth.

Kill the illegal alien marketplace, and illegal aliens will leave on their own.  Why should we "imagine" life with no Mexico?  Shouldn't the Mexicans be trying to imagine life without the USA?

More Marxist infiltration of higher education.  Public school and the media are not the only places dominated by Marxist thought; even Catholic institutions are infected.

Of Families and Fortunes, and Inheritance Vs. Redistribution.  Families and Fortunes are despised by Marxists, because Marxism demonizes the family, demonizes fortunes, and even demonizes profit.

Website Status Update 11/09/10  Just a Website status update; where we are and where we’re going.

Regarding the 2010 Tax Deal Pledge Breaker: Pledge? What Pledge?  How can Republican deal makers even face us? We need to hang a Tea Party target on all professional politicians for 2012.

Pray for peace in Jerusalem, and for deliverance of Israel from harm.  To pray for peace in Jerusalem is to pray for deliverance from Obama.

A tale of Promised Financial Melt-Down Debt Ceiling Nonsense and Happy Marxists.  Everyone, on both sides, believes the Debt Ceiling Nonsense. Why?

God and Nature: on the Nature of Things, established by the Creator of Things.  God and Nature: on man’s Perversion of the Nature of Things, even with the best of intentions.

Our Ohio voter Guide for the 2012 Election.  The 2l012 Ohio Voter Guide – The Choices Have Never Been Clearer, or more critical.

Evangelization enters the animal kingdom with the first bear prayer.  It is fitting that the first bear prayer would be a prayer of thanksgiving.

Is the Internet down in Lithuania?  Sudden loss of Lithuanian traffic suggests the internet is down in Lithuania.

The rise of the Femi Nazi Green Beret, and the decline of military victory.  The first Femi Nazi Green Beret will be awarded out of fairness, not excellence.

Food Insurance: Is this stuff really any good?  All of us conspiracy-theorizing, global-calamity doomsday-preppers need their Food Insurance.

We just had to try to do Robert Irvine's Plastic Wrapped Baby Back Ribs.  Put plastic wrapped baby back ribs in the oven?  What?  Are you nuts?

Thoughts on the first Eucharist, established by the Last Supper.  The first Eucharist was recognized by the Apostles for what it was on that holiest Holy Thursday.

Get behind these Tea Party Candidates.  The Constitution is not going to be restored to legal preeminence unless we replace leadership incumbents of BOTH PARTIES.

Ecce homo; Behold the man.   Ecce Homo.   Behold the Innocent Lamb, who takes away the sins of the world.

When your system slows down or hangs, it's time for a Total System Reboot.  America, the World, and even the Catholic Church may need a Total System Reboot.

Nito Gnoci

The Anti-Christians Part I

The Anti-Christians Part II

The Anti-Christians Part III

The Anti-Christians Part IV

PatriotAndLiberty.com

Linda Kimball

The evil materialist faith of global Luciferianism, Technocracy, Socialism, and Marxism

Prayer Against Wicked Ideologues Rescue us, O Lord!

System of Lies: Ideological Paradise on Earth and Why the Bloody, Violent Dream Will Not Die

Christendom and Protestant America’s Apostasy into Paganism A Timeline

The presence and influence of powers, principalities, and demons in our age of apostasy into godlessness

Nihilism…All That Exists is Matter and Energy The Worldview that Caused the Collapse of Christendom and Protestant America

Revisiting Nihilism: The Will Turned Toward Evil and the Destruction of Western and American Civilization

The enemies of God, reality, truth, western civilization and our souls Linda Kimbal column

The Last Hour and the New World Order Prayer

Our Call to Battle: Rise of the Spirit of Antichrist Prayer Article: “And this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:3)

God to Mankind: NOW Do You See the Stupidity, Depravity, and Evil in Your Hearts?

Raising the New Tower-- Occult Evolution: Antediluvian, Babylonian and Modern Expressions

Psychopathy and the Western and American Tyranny of Evil Leftist Progressive Myths

Supernatural Genesis 1-11 vs. Pagan Darwinism God and Liberty or Fallen Mankind and Tyranny

Luke 21: 29-31: Some Signs Of America's Abandonment And Spiritual Bondage

Eternal Paradise Or Hell? How And Why Both Choices Are Freely Made

Luciferian Humanists: Citing the Genesis Account is Evil "Any country grounded in Judaeo-Christian values can't be overthrown until those roots are cut ... "

Who is intolerant because ashamed: Creationists or Evolutionary Theists?

Death of the Christian God in Hearts of All Humans Why America and W. Europe are Committing Suicide

THE WORLDVIEW OF EVIL SPIRITS - an article by Linda Kimball MAGICAL MYSTERY CHURCH

Pagan-Darwinian-Materialism Redoubt of Miserable Self-Deceived Non-Self Nihilists

Americas' Spiritually Dead, Deep State and Ruling Class Nihilists Walking Dead Parasitic Idolaters

Doctrines of Demons and the Modern Pagan and Pantheist Antithesis The West's Greatest Threat

Gnosis: The Main Expression of Paganized Christianity in the New Age Inner Knowing, Self-Salvation

Our Age of Malicious Perversion How Truth, Meaning, and Reality Have Been Perverted

The Serpent's Gnostic Luciferian Elite Oligarchy and Global Powers Demonic Darkness Over the West and America

The Creation Model Versus Modern Pagan Models
2 Corinthians 10:5

What Kind of God Do You Believe In?
2 Cor. 10:5 Destroying 'scientific' arguments for false Gods

Evil Spirits, Death of God, Satanic Inversion Pagan America's Reality of Madness, Demonic Bondage, and Non-Self

Judgment and Wrath The Biblical Explanation for Madness and Evil

The Worldview of Evil Spirits Revolution, Evolution, Materialism, Nihilism, New World Order, and More

Gnosis The Main Expression of Modern Paganized Christianity

America's Transformation Into A Mystical Pantheist God-State What the Death of God Has Wrought

Message to All Wearied Truthtellers: Let Isaiah Be Your Inspiration the Remnant

The Triune God, Supernatural Heaven, Souls, Hell, and Demons Do They Exist?

Teachings of Demons The Aeon of Horus, Reign of God-Men, and End of the Christian God

Revelation 2:7" ...the closing of a steel door – a solemn, cataclysmic slamming of a door."

Systemic Nihilism: End of the Human Race Eternal Damnation of Human Souls

Infernal Apocalyptic Atmosphere Over America Disintegration into nothing

Global and Ruling Class Criminal Elitists Their Ring of Power and Pact with the Spirit of Death and Hell

Blessed is the Man Who Does Not Listen to Falling Stars Who Follow After Damnable Heresies

Darwinism: An Abomination Aborting and Rotting the Church. The falling away and apostasy from the one true and personal Holy Triune Creator God has not ended

The Evil One and the Impenitent Who Receive His Mark“. And the LORD God formed man (and) breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Genesis 2:7

The Fall of Mankind, the Religion of Evolution, and the Antichrist. "Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18

Why Secular Liberals Actively Promote Evil. Mentally Retarded Liberals

Cultural Marxism. The Many Hidden Faces of Living Active Communism

The Devil, the Big Bang, Evolution, Extraterrestrials and the Genesis Problem

The Ascension To Power Of Misogyny. Hatred of Women

Gnostic Chiliastic Evolution: Satan's Alternative Plan of Salvation. The Great Reset

Why Proclaiming Jesus Christ the Word Became Flesh is Offensive. The Technocratic Utopian World Order

The Divine Androgyne, Pandemonium, and the Battle for Our Souls. Satan's Rising New World Order

America's Modern Pagan Oligarchy, Aztec Gods, and Human Sacrifice. Isaiah 57 Revisited

The Peace Symbol: Occult Sign Meaning Death Against Christians. Hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity

Americas’ Spiritually Desolate, Parasitic, Ruling Class Nihilists. Satan and Powers and Principalities

Global Oligarchy, Forces of Darkness, and the Spirit of Antichrist. Forces Darkness Within Church and State

Darwinism: Idol of mind symbolizing hatred of Triune Creator God. And Logical End of America

Is the World a Computer Simulation in the Minds of Robotic Overlords? Magic Science, Transhumanists, Gnostic Physicists.

Your soul: Cost of admission to the Progressive Pagan City of Man. New Egypt, Babylon, Sodom and Gomorrah

Iron Curtain Over American Minds Progressive Marxisms’ Ideological Utopia

Satan’s New World Order Blueprint and Key Strategy. Christian Capitulation To the Serpent's Consensus Process

Chaos, Breakdown, Demoralization, Destruction: America's New Normal. How it came about and where we are going.

Demonic Darkness: America's Invisible Wave of Evil. Staring into the abyss

Cain, Marxism, Leftism and America's ruling class of 'superior' humans. The dragon they have in common

Modernist Christians in a Man-Centered Universe. Scientific Neutrality and Biblical Deconstruction

The Connection Between Baphomet and Why Researchers Are Creating Interspecies Embryos. 2 Corinthians 10:5

Isaiah 57 revisited: America's progressive pagan elites. Staring into the Abyss

Evolutionary Theism Implies That Christ is Wrong About Creation. "For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?" John 5:46-47

Utopianism. Progressive Utopian Cultural Marxism Poisoning Minds, Churches, Schools, Politics

Acts 17:18-19-modern pagan and pantheist antithesis of the Word of God Ecclesiates 1:9 "What has been is what will be.."

Trotsky's Permanent Revolution From Hell In America. The Soviet System in America

Why Transgenderism Is Being Forced Upon America and Our Children. The Divine Androgyne

The Evil Eye Of Envy: Why Being ‘White’ Is Offensive To Some People. No Vice Worse Than Envy

Absolute Nothingness and Non-Self: The Reigning Worldview of Global Power Elites and Western Ruling Classes

What is Evil? Man-made alternative realities

America's Survival Inc.

Cliff Kincaid

Trump is Destroying Reagan's Legacy By Cliff Kincaid

Trump is a Marked Man By Cliff Kincaid

Terrorist Attack in Baltimore By Cliff Kincaid

Moscow Terror Attack is Another KGB Operation to Fool the West

Obama’s New Nazi-Communist Alliance

On the "Days Of Rage" Planned For The 2024 Marxocrat Party Convention Some of you just couldn't believe that the formerly Democrat (Confederate) Party had already gone totally Communist before the 1968 Party Convention

Making Russia Great Again By Cliff Cinkaid

De-Nazification and De-Communization in Russia The The mutual non-aggression Hitler-Stalin Pact, which started World War II, has been carefully “forgotten”

Climate Emergency To Produce a New World Order By Cliff Kincaid

The Next Phase of Obama’s “Permanent Revolution” By Cliff Kincaid

Evil in the White House In This War, The Enemy Is In The Ranks, Standing Right Next To You

Satanism, Communism: What's The Difference? Look To The Roots Of Communism

Fox Is the Leading "Trans" Channel There are some rather peculiar goings-on at the Fox News Channel.

Trump and His Communist Enemies The Demonized Joe McCarthy Turned Out To Be Accurate In Everything He Claimed: Fox News Is Wrong About Him And About Much More

The Five Stooges on Capitol Hill They Think We Need Even More Doped No-Hopers In The American Intelligence Community

The Biden Doctrine of Demoralization and Defeat By Cliff Kincaid

A Republican Church Committee? Do Pro-American Republicans Even Know Who Frank Church Really Was?

A Top to Bottom Housecleaning of America When we clean our house, my wife has a slogan, “Top to bottom,” meaning you have to target the whole house. The same advice applies to nations.

China's Mass Murder Experiment Phase Two

Bury The Dead And Move On Fuggedaboutit!

9/11 Truth This is the real 9/11 Truth: Our “intelligence” agencies are infiltrated.

Moving Toward Gorbachev’s “World of Communism” It's called the Monster Plot.

The Errors of Russia, the Dupes of Putin, and Another Holocaust Can The Increasingly Faithless Free World Be Saved From Russia?

World War Quietly Conquering A Distracted and Blithely Unaware World. Could it actually be Satan's world war on despised humanity?

Stand With Ukraine Against Russia and China By Cliff Kincaid

Tucker Carlson Carlson Gets His Comeuppance. Tucker's View: It is not moral for us to intervene in support of any nation's (Ukraine's) democratic self-determination and against Soviet military expansion.

The Need for Secure Borders. Have we so easily forgotten what borders are for? Have we forgotten that evil exists in the world? Have we forgotten how to keep apart from this evil?

Can Ukraine Survive Putin and Biden? Can America? Can the Free World? Can Faith in God?

The Soviet Union: Back From The Dead The Return of the Evil Empire

Could an American Surrender be in the offing with Biden at the wheel? Is this not the perfect time for Communism to strike, with Commies now governing America, China and Russia? What would Biden do?

Abortion and Communism. If you ever wondered where all the popular abortion-contraception-sexuality-perversion nuttiness came from, look to Marx's Communist Manifesto.

The Secret Life of Martin Luther King, Jr. A life almost totally at odds with his reputation as a minister of the Gospel.

"We belong to the Church militant; and She is militant because on earth the powers of darkness are ever restless to encompass Her destruction. Not only in the far-off centuries of the early Church, but down through the ages and in this our day, the enemies of God and Christian civilization make bold to attack the Creator's supreme dominion and sacrosanct human rights." --Pope Pius XII

"It is not lawful to take the things of others to give to the poor. It is a sin worthy of punishment, not an act deserving a reward, to give away what belongs to others." --St. Francis of Assisi

Traditional Latin Tridentine Mass, offered at Assumption Grotto Church in Detroit, Michigan. Our deepest prayer, our highest form of worship, and the way God should be treated.Assumption Grotto Church in Detroit, MI

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Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.—Winston Churchill

Note the Military Assault Rifle common to the American Founding Era.

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.—Ayn Rand

Atheist Genesis:

In the beginning there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing.
And then nothing accidentally exploded and created everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally encountered other bits of everything and formed some new kinds of everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into self-replicating bits of everything.
And then some self-replicating bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into dinosaurs.
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