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The USCCB was for it before they were against it.
Mark Brumbaugh, Saturday, April 03, 2010
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The USCCB was, for the longest time, strongly in support of the government reforming health care. They started off with the erroneous assumption that health care is a right. Then they found themselves backpedaling as the true result of a bad idea got clearer and clearer.
Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness are rights. Shelters, Food, Water, Transportation, Health Care are not rights; they are obligations of the individual to provide for themselves by self sufficiency or in our modern times, bartering goods produced by the person and family for goods not produced, but desired from others. In the event that an individual is truly unable to provide for themselves, God expects Charity from our heart to provide for those less able. This is natural and has worked for mankind since we were created.
Transferring charity to the government by way of confiscating a persons legitimate private property and giving to those who have less, is NOT charity. When the Bishops take the easy way out and tell us to vote for government programs that appear to be based on making things more fair, or equally distributed, they should not be surprised that they get a horrible, politically motivated and moral mess that is destructive and violates over half of the ten commandments.
I certainly hope this past event will illustrate to the USCCB the folly of taking a position on Social Issues that involves a government solution. Maybe the USCCB can get back to preaching personal charity to the point we have no tolerance or need for socialist redistribution of wealth.
If we all bought and carried catastrophic health insurance, and used tax deductible health savings accounts, we would know how much things cost and individually could prioritize our health expenses against everything else we need to prioritize ... food, education, bigger TV, new car, used car, bigger house, rent or buy ... etc.
When folks treat things like they are free or paid by somebody else, they treat them like their are limitless and bad things will happen. No way costs will go down when things are "free."
Covering everyone with prepaid health care, is going to be a disaster and I predict no good will come of it.
A response from a blog on which this was posted:
"I think the priest was trying to "throw your question over the partition" when he referred you to the USCCB, so I wouldn't condemn all bishops because of what one socialist priest says."
And I respond ...
You may have a point about the priest. However all of the USCCB letters to congress start out with the premise that health care is "a RIGHT", and that is absolutely impossible. Someone must "produce" health care. It is not free nor limitless. In the absence of effort on the part of a person separate from the self, it generally does not even exist. It is not air, nor water. It therefore cannot be "a RIGHT".
A RIGHT to life for example, means no one has the right to take your life away. It does NOT mean that you don't have to feed yourself, drink water, and breathe or that anyone else has to or even can do it for you. Ditto liberty and pursuit of happiness.
Carelessly throwing around words like "a right" by the USCCB, under the guise of moral imperative and Social Justice, is confusing to most conscientious, logical people and justifies stupid utopian bologna on the left, and I have a hard time tolerating it on behalf of the "United States Catholics", which the USCCB supposedly and in reality, represent.
What if everyone sat around and demanded their right to health care and coincidentally no one became a doctor, a nurse, a chemist, an X-ray tech, a researcher, built hospitals, invented drugs, drove ambulances, etc., etc., etc.?Any performed service needs to receive something in value in relationship to the desire of the customer for that service. Otherwise each person would have to self provide everything they needed or wanted for themselves without dependence on any one else. Who could provide health care without compensation?
P.S. Now, I found myself in January, in a catholic church (to which I will never again attend) being asked in the Prayers of the Faithful for "Universal Health Care", and "Immigration Reform", and was told in the Homily, that if I had health insurance while others did not, I was stealing. When I asked for clarification from the pastor, I was directed to the USCCB and banned from further discussions with the pastor, with the admonition that "May God have mercy on your soul".
By the way, I sent a letter on this to Cardinal DiNardo after all of my attempts to discuss this issue with the priest were denied. The Cardinal's assistant intercepted the letter and asked the priest if it was worthy of the Cardinal's attention, and was told to throw it away. Have the Bishops learned nothing from the sex scandals?
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Date: Sun Apr 04 13:19:00 2010
From: Paul
Email: paulmay@suddenlink.net
Location: Tucson, AZ USA
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I agree that the USCCB has "flopped".
I do not yet see where "they"(the anonymous and secretive huddled group of bishops that make up the USCCB) have "flipped", unless to say they have "flipped their wigs" (or miters) in the process of stonewalling American Catholics. "They", in their behavior seem to be imitating the congress, instead of Christ. May God save their souls, since they do not seem to be interested in saving ours.
Date: Mon May 24 02:51:43 2010
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Went to the USCCB web site. How can they call themselves Catholic? Seems to me they are working for the wrong side. They should concern themselves with the Church & not politics. It appears they are serving 2 masters.
Date: Mon May 24 05:49:04 2010
From: Vic Biorseth
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I have long suspected that the problem involves a typically elitist confusion between religious community in the ecclesial world, and Communism in the secular world.
The problem is that rights and responsibilities come in paired sets. If someone has a right to something, then someone else has a responsibility to satisfy that right. Our recognized American Constitutional rights – freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, etc. – involve merely restrictions on our government to not interfere with those rights. But when it comes to “rights” to tangible things, such as housing, or health care, or food, etc., then they must involve a responsibility on the part of someone to somehow satisfy that right, at cost.
In light of this principle, all or most of the “rights” put forth by such bodies as the United Nations, or any other published list of so-called Human Rights become difficult or impossible to supply outside of Communism, and Communism always brings with it dictatorship, impoverishment of the people and complete loss of liberty. This is the antithesis of Constitutional America.
See the Catholic Communism page, the Colonial Communism page, and the The Little Red Hen page.Regards,
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The Serpent’s Gnostic Luciferian Elite Oligarchy and Global Powers Demonic Darkness Over the West and America
Our Age of Malicious Perversion How Truth, Meaning, and Reality Have Been Perverted
Moving Toward Gorbachev’s “World of Communism” It's called the Monster Plot
9/11 Truth This is the real 9/11 Truth: Our “intelligence” agencies are infiltrated.
Gnosis: The Main Expression of Paganized Christianity in the New Age Inner Knowing, Self-Salvation
Doctrines of Demons and the Modern Pagan and Pantheist Antithesis The West's Greatest Threat
Americas’ Spiritually Dead, Deep State and Ruling Class Nihilists Walking Dead Parasitic Idolaters
Pagan-Darwinian-Materialism Redoubt of Miserable Self-Deceived Non-Self Nihilists
Bury The Dead And Move On Fuggedaboutit!
China's Mass Murder Experiment Phase Two
A Top to Bottom Housecleaning of America When we clean our house, my wife has a slogan, “Top to bottom,” meaning you have to target the whole house. The same advice applies to nations.
THE WORLDVIEW OF EVIL SPIRITS - an article by Linda Kimball MAGICAL MYSTERY CHURCH
A Republican Church Committee? Do Pro-American Republicans Even Know Who Frank Church Really Was?
Death of the Christian God in Hearts of All Humans Why America and W. Europe are Committing Suicide
Who Is Intolerant Because Ashamed: Creationists or Evolutionary Theists?
The Biden Doctrine of Demoralization and Defeat By Cliff Kincaid
Luciferian Humanists: Citing the Genesis Account is Evil “Any country grounded in Judaeo-Christian values can’t be overthrown until those roots are cut
Eternal Paradise Or Hell? How And Why Both Choices Are Freely Made… "
The Five Stooges on Capitol Hill They Think We Need Even More Doped No-Hopers In The American Intelligence Community
Luke 21: 29-31: Some Signs Of America’s Abandonment
And Spiritual Bondage
Trump and His Communist Enemies The Demonized Joe McCarthy Turned Out To Be Accurate In Everything He Claimed: Fox News Is Wrong About Him And About Much More
Fox Is the Leading "Trans" Channel There are some rather peculiar goings-on at the Fox News Channel.
Supernatural Genesis 1-11 vs. Pagan Darwinism God and Liberty or Fallen Mankind and Tyranny
Satanism, Communism: What's The Difference? Look To The Roots Of Communism
Evil in the White House In This War, The Enemy Is In The Ranks, Standing Right Next To You
Psychopathy and the Western and American Tyranny of Evil Leftist Progressive Myths
The Next Phase of Obama’s “Permanent Revolution” By Cliff Kincaid
Climate Emergency To Produce a New World Order By Cliff Kincaid
Raising the New Tower-- Occult Evolution: Antediluvian, Babylonian and Modern Expressions
De-Nazification and De-Communization in Russia The The mutual non-aggression Hitler-Stalin Pact, which started World War II, has been carefully “forgotten”
God to Mankind: NOW Do You See the Stupidity, Depravity, and Evil in Your Hearts?
Making Russia Great Again By Cliff Cinkaid
Our Call to Battle: Rise of the Spirit of Antichrist Prayer Article: “And this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:3)
The Last Hour and the New World Order Prayer
On the "Days Of Rage" Planned For The 2024 Marxocrat Party Convention Some of you just couldn't believe that the formerly Democrat (Confederate) Party had already gone totally Communist before the 1968 Party Convention
The enemies of God, reality, truth, western civilization and our souls Linda Kimbal column
Revisiting Nihilism: The Will Turned Toward Evil and the Destruction of Western and American Civilization
Nihilism…All That Exists is Matter and Energy The Worldview that Caused the Collapse of Christendom and Protestant America
Obama’s New Nazi-Communist Alliance
Moscow Terror Attack is Another KGB Operation to Fool the West
Terrorist Attack in Baltimore By Cliff Kincaid
The presence and influence of powers, principalities, and demons in our age of apostasy into godlessness
Christendom and Protestant America’s Apostasy into Paganism A Timeline
System of Lies: Ideological Paradise on Earth and Why the Bloody, Violent Dream Will Not Die
Prayer Against Wicked Ideologues Rescue us, O Lord!
Trump is a Marked Man By Cliff Kincaid
The evil materialist faith of global Luciferianism, Technocracy, Socialism, and Marxism
Trump is Destroying Reagan's Legacy By Cliff Kincaid
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Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and
Broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in
thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life:
and few there are that find it! Beware of false prophets, who come to you in
the clothing of sheep, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Jesus
Christ; Matthew 7:13–15
Nito Gnoci
Linda Kimball
The evil materialist faith of global Luciferianism, Technocracy, Socialism, and Marxism
Prayer Against Wicked Ideologues Rescue us, O Lord!
System of Lies: Ideological Paradise on Earth and Why the Bloody, Violent Dream Will Not Die
Christendom and Protestant America’s Apostasy into Paganism A Timeline
The presence and influence of powers, principalities, and demons in our age of apostasy into godlessness
Nihilism…All That Exists is Matter and Energy The Worldview that Caused the Collapse of Christendom and Protestant America
Revisiting Nihilism: The Will Turned Toward Evil and the Destruction of Western and American Civilization
The enemies of God, reality, truth, western civilization and our souls Linda Kimbal column
The Last Hour and the New World Order Prayer
Our Call to Battle: Rise of the Spirit of Antichrist Prayer Article: “And this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.” (1 John 4:3)
God to Mankind: NOW Do You See the Stupidity, Depravity, and Evil in Your Hearts?
Raising the New Tower-- Occult Evolution: Antediluvian, Babylonian and Modern Expressions
Psychopathy and the Western and American Tyranny of Evil Leftist Progressive Myths
Supernatural Genesis 1-11 vs. Pagan Darwinism God and Liberty or Fallen Mankind and Tyranny
Luke 21: 29-31: Some Signs Of America's Abandonment And Spiritual Bondage
Eternal Paradise Or Hell? How And Why Both Choices Are Freely Made
Luciferian Humanists: Citing the Genesis Account is Evil "Any country grounded in Judaeo-Christian values can't be overthrown until those roots are cut ... "
Who is intolerant because ashamed: Creationists or Evolutionary Theists?
Death of the Christian God in Hearts of All Humans Why America and W. Europe are Committing Suicide
THE WORLDVIEW OF EVIL SPIRITS - an article by Linda Kimball MAGICAL MYSTERY CHURCH
Pagan-Darwinian-Materialism Redoubt of Miserable Self-Deceived Non-Self Nihilists
Americas' Spiritually Dead, Deep State and Ruling Class Nihilists Walking Dead Parasitic Idolaters
Doctrines of Demons and the Modern Pagan and Pantheist Antithesis The West's Greatest Threat
Gnosis: The Main Expression of Paganized Christianity in the New Age Inner Knowing, Self-Salvation
Our Age of Malicious Perversion How Truth, Meaning, and Reality Have Been Perverted
The Serpent's Gnostic Luciferian Elite Oligarchy and Global Powers Demonic Darkness Over the West and America
The Creation Model Versus Modern Pagan Models
2 Corinthians 10:5
What Kind of God Do You Believe In?
2 Cor. 10:5 Destroying 'scientific' arguments for false Gods
Evil Spirits, Death of God, Satanic Inversion Pagan America's Reality of Madness, Demonic Bondage, and Non-Self
Judgment and Wrath The Biblical Explanation for Madness and Evil
The Worldview of Evil Spirits Revolution, Evolution, Materialism, Nihilism, New World Order, and More
Gnosis The Main Expression of Modern Paganized Christianity
America's Transformation Into A Mystical Pantheist God-State What the Death of God Has Wrought
Message to All Wearied Truthtellers: Let Isaiah Be Your Inspiration the Remnant
The Triune God, Supernatural Heaven, Souls, Hell, and Demons Do They Exist?
Teachings of Demons The Aeon of Horus, Reign of God-Men, and End of the Christian God
Revelation 2:7" ...the closing of a steel door – a solemn, cataclysmic slamming of a door."
Systemic Nihilism: End of the Human Race Eternal Damnation of Human Souls
Infernal Apocalyptic Atmosphere Over America Disintegration into nothing
Global and Ruling Class Criminal Elitists Their Ring of Power and Pact with the Spirit of Death and Hell
Blessed is the Man Who Does Not Listen to Falling Stars Who Follow After Damnable Heresies
Darwinism: An Abomination Aborting and Rotting the Church. The falling away and apostasy from the one true and personal Holy Triune Creator God has not ended
The Evil One and the Impenitent Who Receive His Mark“. And the LORD God formed man (and) breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Genesis 2:7
The Fall of Mankind, the Religion of Evolution, and the Antichrist. "Pride goes before destruction and a haughty spirit before a fall." Proverbs 16:18
Why Secular Liberals Actively Promote Evil. Mentally Retarded Liberals
Cultural Marxism. The Many Hidden Faces of Living Active Communism
The Devil, the Big Bang, Evolution, Extraterrestrials and the Genesis Problem
The Ascension To Power Of Misogyny. Hatred of Women
Gnostic Chiliastic Evolution: Satan's Alternative Plan of Salvation. The Great Reset
Why Proclaiming Jesus Christ the Word Became Flesh is Offensive. The Technocratic Utopian World Order
The Divine Androgyne, Pandemonium, and the Battle for Our Souls. Satan's Rising New World Order
America's Modern Pagan Oligarchy, Aztec Gods, and Human Sacrifice. Isaiah 57 Revisited
The Peace Symbol: Occult Sign Meaning Death Against Christians. Hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity
Americas’ Spiritually Desolate, Parasitic, Ruling Class Nihilists. Satan and Powers and Principalities
Global Oligarchy, Forces of Darkness, and the Spirit of Antichrist. Forces Darkness Within Church and State
Darwinism: Idol of mind symbolizing hatred of Triune Creator God. And Logical End of America
Is the World a Computer Simulation in the Minds of Robotic Overlords? Magic Science, Transhumanists, Gnostic Physicists.
Your soul: Cost of admission to the Progressive Pagan City of Man. New Egypt, Babylon, Sodom and Gomorrah
Iron Curtain Over American Minds Progressive Marxisms’ Ideological Utopia
Satan’s New World Order Blueprint and Key Strategy. Christian Capitulation To the Serpent's Consensus Process
Chaos, Breakdown, Demoralization, Destruction: America's New Normal. How it came about and where we are going.
Demonic Darkness: America's Invisible Wave of Evil. Staring into the abyss
Cain, Marxism, Leftism and America's ruling class of 'superior' humans. The dragon they have in common
Modernist Christians in a Man-Centered Universe. Scientific Neutrality and Biblical Deconstruction
The Connection Between Baphomet and Why Researchers Are Creating Interspecies Embryos. 2 Corinthians 10:5
Isaiah 57 revisited: America's progressive pagan elites. Staring into the Abyss
Evolutionary Theism Implies That Christ is Wrong About Creation. "For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?" John 5:46-47
Utopianism. Progressive Utopian Cultural Marxism Poisoning Minds, Churches, Schools, Politics
Acts 17:18-19-modern pagan and pantheist antithesis of the Word of God Ecclesiates 1:9 "What has been is what will be.."
Trotsky's Permanent Revolution From Hell In America. The Soviet System in America
Why Transgenderism Is Being Forced Upon America and Our Children. The Divine Androgyne
The Evil Eye Of Envy: Why Being ‘White’ Is Offensive To Some People. No Vice Worse Than Envy
Absolute Nothingness and Non-Self: The Reigning Worldview of Global Power Elites and Western Ruling Classes
What is Evil? Man-made alternative realities
Cliff Kincaid
Trump is Destroying Reagan's Legacy By Cliff Kincaid
Trump is a Marked Man By Cliff Kincaid
Terrorist Attack in Baltimore By Cliff Kincaid
Moscow Terror Attack is Another KGB Operation to Fool the West
Obama’s New Nazi-Communist Alliance
On the "Days Of Rage" Planned For The 2024 Marxocrat Party Convention Some of you just couldn't believe that the formerly Democrat
(Confederate) Party had already gone totally Communist before the 1968
Party Convention
Making Russia Great Again By Cliff Cinkaid
De-Nazification and De-Communization in Russia The The mutual non-aggression Hitler-Stalin Pact, which started World War II, has been carefully “forgotten”
Climate Emergency To Produce a New World Order By Cliff Kincaid
The Next Phase of Obama’s “Permanent Revolution” By Cliff Kincaid
Evil in the White House In This War, The Enemy Is In The Ranks, Standing Right Next To You
Satanism, Communism: What's The Difference? Look To The Roots Of Communism
Fox Is the Leading "Trans" Channel There are some rather peculiar goings-on at the Fox News Channel.
Trump and His Communist Enemies The Demonized Joe McCarthy Turned Out To Be Accurate In Everything He Claimed: Fox News Is Wrong About Him And About Much More
The Five Stooges on Capitol Hill They Think We Need Even More Doped No-Hopers In The American Intelligence Community
The Biden Doctrine of Demoralization and Defeat By Cliff Kincaid
A Republican Church Committee? Do Pro-American Republicans Even Know Who Frank Church Really Was?
A Top to Bottom Housecleaning of America When we clean our house, my wife has a slogan, “Top to bottom,” meaning you have to target the whole house. The same advice applies to nations.
China's Mass Murder Experiment Phase Two
Bury The Dead And Move On Fuggedaboutit!
9/11 Truth This is the real 9/11 Truth: Our “intelligence” agencies are infiltrated.
Moving Toward Gorbachev’s “World of Communism” It's called the Monster Plot.
The Errors of Russia, the Dupes of Putin, and Another Holocaust Can The Increasingly Faithless Free World Be Saved From Russia?
World War Quietly Conquering A Distracted and Blithely Unaware World. Could it actually be Satan's world war on despised humanity?
Stand With Ukraine Against Russia and China By Cliff Kincaid
Tucker Carlson Carlson Gets His Comeuppance. Tucker's View: It is not moral for us to intervene in support of any nation's (Ukraine's) democratic self-determination and against Soviet military expansion.
The Need for Secure Borders. Have we so easily forgotten what borders are for? Have we forgotten that evil exists in the world? Have we forgotten how to keep apart from this evil?
Can Ukraine Survive Putin and Biden? Can America? Can the Free World? Can Faith in God?
The Soviet Union: Back From The Dead The Return of the Evil Empire
Could an American Surrender be in the offing with Biden at the wheel? Is this not the perfect time for Communism to strike, with Commies now governing America, China and Russia? What would Biden do?
Abortion and Communism. If you ever wondered where all the popular abortion-contraception-sexuality-perversion nuttiness came from, look to Marx's Communist Manifesto.
The Secret Life of Martin Luther King, Jr. A life almost totally at odds with his reputation as a minister of the Gospel.
"We belong to the Church militant; and She is militant because on earth the powers of darkness are ever restless to encompass Her destruction. Not only in the far-off centuries of the early Church, but down through the ages and in this our day, the enemies of God and Christian civilization make bold to attack the Creator's supreme dominion and sacrosanct human rights." --Pope Pius XII
"It is not lawful to take the things of others to give to the poor. It is a sin worthy of punishment, not an act deserving a reward, to give away what belongs to others." --St. Francis of Assisi
Truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is.—Winston Churchill
The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.—Ayn Rand
Atheist Genesis:
In the beginning there was nothing, and nothing happened to nothing.And then nothing accidentally exploded and created everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally encountered other bits of everything and formed some new kinds of everything.
And then some bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into self-replicating bits of everything.
And then some self-replicating bits of everything accidentally arranged themselves into dinosaurs.
See?
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